We keep talking about perception.

Perception is what people are saying, right?

So perception can't just be dismissed as if it's something that doesn't matter.

It absolutely matters because they're seeing it, because it's affecting their kids, it's affecting their businesses, it's affecting their parks, it's affecting their work.

It's affecting everything that they're doing.

And it's the effects that are the things that people are starting to grow tired of.

And so as we're going through this conversation, I don't think it's a lack of services.

I don't think it's a lack of anything other than the folks that we are trying to engage with and, and, and offer opportunity to oftentimes that opportunity is not being taken.

We've got some amazing officers that not only work downtown but citywide, but our downtown crew, it's on a daily basis.

You'll hear one of them say, I've got one in custody, for fentanyl use for a warrant, and then they will call for outreach resources because they've done exactly what he talked about of, hey, you got a warrant?

We can take you to jail.

You know, we know they're not going to hold them.

It's going to start that process.

So let's let's look at another option.

We've got we've got we've got outreach.

We've got somebody willing to speak with you to try to get those those services that you need to get you off the streets.

And a lot of times you will see that happen.

So the downtown crew are phenomenal about dealing with those ones who are in need and connecting them when they're ready to be connected.

Not always does it happen.

And those are the ones that will continue to to enforcement.

But that happens on a regular basis, which is kind of a little bit what Gavin was talking about.

The officers know exactly who to call in that circumstance.

And when you see, sometimes you'll see our officers names written on the sidewalk thanking them or, or upset with them because when they're holding them accountable.

And so we see it both ways.

But that shows you that they're compassionate, they're willing to help.

And we're not just going away or turning a blind eye.

We're trying to get people connected so it doesn't happen on that revolving door.

I just want to give credit to everybody here.

They're they're they're killing it.

But we're going to have to kill a lot more, and we're going to have to come up with those defined dates with actual outcomes that we can measure to and hold accountable.